>>2623 I'm more interested how FIM would've turned out if Jimbos's, Haber's and Vogel's fathers knew when to pull out.

>>2623 EQG had little direct impact on the show itself. What it changed is the context of real-world perceptions that the show exists within. It from outside destroys the integrity of the fantasy, making it almost impossible for newer fans to appreciate the literally otherworldly magic of the "pony" concept. The fandom after that degraded into pornographic fetishism at best, but usually literal furfaggotry and political fanaticism.

>>2629 In my view, it stole talent and resources from pony.

>>2623 Oh my, there is so much I can say on this before I run out of autistic steam. I guess we can start at the bottom. We might never ever know what really went down and we probably do not even have enough soundbytes from interviews to make an educated guess. So I guess autistic best guesses will have to do. Lets start with the creation, which even Wikipedia now brings up as > My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic, while aimed at younger Children, had gained a surprising Number of older fans in their 20s and 30s, known as "bronies". Among fanworks produced by this older crowd included re-imagined art of the Friendship Is Magic cast as human equivalents. Hasbro saw this art and came up with the idea of developing the spin-off with a similar re-imagining. Which is if you were to ask me where the real problems began, and I am not exclusively talking about the how or why Hasbro tried to please the Bronies here, I am mostly thinking about the team that has to make it happen. You see when you make a spinoff while the main is still ongoing you will probably spend some time with an inflated team doing both things, which is why you see a lot of overlap. Then both tend to 'flow' more towards their own specialization over time. A good example would be Ishi Rudell, an animator that really fell upwards on the corporate ladder thanks to EQG and, well, Jayson Thiessen and Jim Miller too, but that is a tangent-hole on its own. You see Ishi was one of the few people with aspiration and a strong believer in vision. I think if you ask him about the later seasons ( he left animating ponies after S3, which you can feel with your eyeballs when you watch S4 ) especially when the egg-ponies start rolling in I would not be surprised if he brings up the official guidebook "The Elements of Harmony" and how his predecessors never read any of the origins material. I imagine EQG to be the biggest blow that pretty much opened the gates for talent to leave. You would think that Lauren Faust getting raked over hot coals until her resignation letter, citing "losing creative control" as biggest gripe/reason/woe. Not to mention the whole pregnancy stories that run wild. But those are probably more like inconveniences compared to 'team strain'. I can only imagine how how it must have felt under the hooves of those actually working there. Not only is your job security seemingly low but someone is holding the sword of Damocles over your head until you go "FUCK IT!", Put on your naughty shoes, write an episode that fills your own depraved mind with glee. Push it through, then on your final day exit the building while running and holding streamers while thinking of Vinyl Scratch and her bass-cannons on wheels. Then he took a year long break and re-joined Lauren Faust in DC Super Hero Girls, which I really doubt he did for the money alone. Aight, I ranted long enough about how it appears to be a hellhole behind the scenes. Lets go back to OP's question. > How differently would FIM have turned out if EQG were never made? I honestly think FIM would have lasted a bit longer, perhaps 1 season if that. Basically the working atmosphere was too inhospitable. I welcome anypony to point out how wrong and how much of an idiot I am to just blatantly assume all this BS.

>>2636 What the hell are egg-ponies?

To me its about the fan content. Before you had artists that solely focused on pony. Then after eqg came about, many of those same artists switched to making both. And then some only to humans. Completely dropping pony. Mlp is about pony (has pony in the name ffs). I'm not into humans as humans are shit most of the time. And suddenly you had a huge influx of non-pony art that a big portion of the pony user-base didn't want. That in turn killed views for many artists and so they just stopped making mlp content all together. Its not just drawings tho, its fanfictions etc. I have no desire to read a non-pony fic. Even if the tags and story is good. I just prefer pony. Sadly you have writers now that only does eqg. And then they get angry that none reads their shit. Before long they just end up leaving the fandom. Becoming furries or someshit instead. So all in all I've seen eqg do alot of corruptive damage. Not to mention that I now have to CONSTANTLY filter the human shit wherever I go. Annoying as fuck. Ofc there are many more reasons to dislike eqg. And so I think all of us (within the pony fandom atleast) should be genuinely unwelcoming to eqg crap. As it drags everything down and makes it worse. The same way anthro/furry content does.

>>2638 >Mlp is about pony (has pony in the name ffs). And when that's not the case, there is no longer a singular comprehensible to outsiders appeal. This makes it very difficult to attract new fans to replace all those leaving. >I now have to CONSTANTLY filter the human shit wherever I go. Annoying as fuck. The worst thing is retards who don't tag their shit. Though that is more common with the furries. Also many sites other than the boorus don't even have filters.

>>2636 This is a glorious amount of autism.

>>2623 You would have all the animators/writers focused exclusively on FIM which would ultimately help that brand more in the short run. S3 would be longer obviously and no Shimmer to shit things up which might actually work as they wouldn't feel inclined to make another smug, obnoxiously voiced, powerful OC for Twilight to take under her wing in actual canon.

>>2643 Wouldn't season 3 still be 13 episodes, for together to make 65 episodes for syndication?

>>2648 65 is the minimum. It probably would have been 26 without eqg. Plus we might have gotten the movie earlier.

>>2637 > What the hell are egg-ponies? Its what you get when you let the animation time use smear-frames as point of reference. Since a lot of them end up looking like. Well, you can probably see the eggs in these 3 quickly gathered pictures. No artist, but especially not an animation-artist, would not go "hey, but this looks crap" and give it a pass. Unless if they stopped caring for one reason or another.

It had been a long time since I watched EQG. I just did now, I got too angry at Friendship Games. I keep imagining what could have been instead. The time spent on new puppets. VAs being wasted on worthless shit. Ingram's talents wasted. Animators wasted, Finances wasted.

>>2629 eqg is the reason season 3 is half as long as every other show

>>2760 That dark feeling I remember from watching it in 2013 and I feel it from even only the proximity of g5

>How differently would FIM have turned out if EQG were never made? >Zecora storyline explored >actual mlp movies made straight to DVD with fim artsyle >Characters aren't butchered >mlp on adult swim >the celestial sisters origins explored >more quality episodes >less random nonsensical garbage >Things the writers couldn't do before are done, M.A. Larson episodes etc.

>>2629 >The fandom after that degraded into pornographic The porn has always been there

>>3392 I said "pornographic fetishism at best". I never said there shouldn't be porn. I just meant that there shouldn't be only porn. And that the porn-only part of the fandom is still less degraded than many other parts.

>>2988 I feel the exact same thing anon It is a very dark power

My opinion is basically almost the same than everyone else here. EQG consumed a lot of good resources from what was a good show in that time resulting in a forgettable spin off imo - seriously, I have watched the movies and barely remember what they were about - and at the same time a mediocre FiM season which started the downfall of the show. Also while the pony show itself attracted several great artists in its own, EQG mostly attracted literal kids from DA who constantly flood the pony sites and imageboards with shit quality art and hundred of edited screencaps that have very low effort or any at all.

>>2988 >>3412 I probably am in minority here, in that I don't hate G5. My feelings toward it are instead intense distrust. Hasbro was handed gold in the form of early FIM, and they turned it into lead through countless betrayals, EQG being by far the largest. After that, even if it were perfect, which it already isn't, there is no way I could get invested in G5 until it is over. (I still agree that it doesn't belong here.)

>>3421 Its just unacceptable for me I feel devastated

>>3421 I literally feel dread when I think of g5 I cant watch the first episode of the show anymore I tried to do it in the rewatch stream when it looped back and it fucked me up, they literally took the first episode of the show away from me what episodes will be taken from me next I didnt even watch g5 and I feel this way What the fuck

>>3419 >>3395 To me the biggest problem is that the fans deteriorated. If you go back and look at old pony art, there are lots of wonderful paintings that people put a lot of love into. Now it's mostly low-quality sketches and porn. It's the kind of thing where the show being as awesome as it was in the beginning was already an oddity and was not hasbro's intention, so you wouldn't expect it to last. In the beginning people saw the love in the show, the real love, not just porn. Now it's just another thing like furfags and those people with anime profiles, it's "ha ha lol porn funny hentai sex" and no class. I still think there is hope for a few though, just because it's dead to most people does not mean we can't enjoy the world and characters the way they were intended and make more stories that expand on it. We should establish a fan-cannon to replace the later seasons and explore stuff like the royal sisters/Zecora ourselves because nobody else is gonna. We have the setting, all the building blocks, letting it go to waste is a crime.